Business Week, February 26, 2009
Jim Rogers doesn't mince words about the crisis
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In
1970 a young Wall Streeter named
Jim Rogers
hooked up with George Soros to start the legendary Quantum Fund. The ensuing
decades have seen Rogers build an iconoclastic career as an author,
adventurer, and creator of the
Rogers International Commodities Index. And throughout, Rogers — now
based in Singapore — has remained an outspoken global investor. Today is no
different. He has harsh words for former Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan,
suggests President Barack Obama and his economic team are not up to the
task, and thinks tough love is the answer for America.
What do you think of the government's
response to the economic crisis?
Terrible. They're making it worse. It's pretty embarrassing
for President Obama, who doesn't seem to have a clue what's going on — which
would make sense from his background. And he has hired people who are part
of the problem. [Treasury Secretary Tim] Geithner was head of the New York
Fed, which was supposedly in charge of Wall Street and the banks more than
anybody else. And as you remember, [Obama's chief economic adviser, Larry]
Summers helped bail out Long-Term Capital Management years ago. These are
people who think the only solution is to save their friends on Wall Street
rather than to save 300 million Americans.
So what should they be doing?
What would I like to see happen? I'd like to see them let
these people go bankrupt, let the bankrupt go bankrupt, stop bailing them
out. There are plenty of banks in America that saw this coming, that kept
their powder dry and have been waiting for the opportunity to go in and take
over the assets of the incompetent. Likewise, many, many homeowners didn't
go out and buy five homes with no income. Many homeowners have been waiting
for this, and now all of a sudden the government is saying: "Well, too bad
for you. We don't care if you did it right or not, we're going to bail out
the 100,000 or 200,000 who did it wrong." I mean, this is outrageous
economics, and it's terrible morality.
You have said Bear Stearns and Lehman
would still be around if Greenspan hadn't bailed out Long-Term Capital
Management in 1998. Can you explain?
Well, if Long-Term Capital Management had been allowed to
fail, Lehman and the rest of them would've lost a huge amount of money,
their capital would've been impaired, and it would've put a terrible crimp
on Wall Street. It would've slowed them down for years. Instead of losing
capital, losing assets, and losing incompetent people, they hired more
incompetent people.
Should AIG have been allowed to fail,
too?
First of all, banks and investment banks and insurance
companies have been failing for hundreds of years. Yes, we would've had a
terrible two years. But you're dragging out the pain. We had 10 years of the
worst credit excesses in world history. You don't wipe out something like
that in six months or a year by saying: "Oh, now let's wake up and start
over again."
What about Citigroup? What about the
car companies?
They should be allowed to go bankrupt. Why should American
taxpayers put up billions to save a few car companies? They made the
mistakes! We didn't make the mistakes! I'm sure they'll give them the money,
but I'm telling you, it's a mistake. It's a horrible mistake.
I totally understand what you're
saying, but the banks are under massive pressure.
They all took huge, huge profits. Who was the head of
Citigroup? Chuck Prince? I mean, how many hundreds of millions of dollars
did Prince take out of the company? How many hundreds of millions of dollars
did other Citibank execs take out of the company? Wall Street has paid
something like $40 billion or $50 billion in bonuses in the past decade. Who
was that guy who was the head of Merrill Lynch?
Stan O'Neal?
Right, Stan O'Neal. He got $150 million for leaving, even
though he ruined the company. Look at the guy at Fannie Mae, Franklin
Raines. He did worse accounting than Enron. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac alone
did nothing but pure fraudulent accounting year after year, and yet that
guy's walking around with millions of dollars. What the hell kind of system
is this?
Are you worried the economic crisis
will lead to political turmoil in China and elsewhere?
I absolutely am. We're going to have social unrest in much
of the world. America won't be immune.
What does all this mean from an
investment standpoint?
Always in the past, when people have printed huge amounts of
money or spent money they didn't have, it has led to higher inflation and
higher prices. In my view, that's certainly going to happen again this time.
Oil prices are down at the moment, but that's temporary. And you're going to
see higher prices, especially of commodities, because the fundamentals of
commodities are enhanced by what's happening.
Which commodities are worth buying or
holding on to?
I recently bought more of all of them. But I really think
agriculture is going to be the best place to be. Agriculture's been a
horrible business for 30 years. For decades the money shufflers, the paper
shufflers, have been the captains of the universe. That is now changing. The
people who produce real things [will be on top]. You're going to see
stockbrokers driving taxis. The smart ones will learn to drive tractors,
because they'll be working for the farmers. It's going to be the 29-year-old
farmers who have the Lamborghinis. So you should find yourself a nice farmer
and hook up with him or her, because that's where the money's going to be in
the next couple of decades. |